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News The rise of AI bites ever deeper across the world of creative arts

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We've discussed the the rise of the use of AI in the book world many times - and as it's not going anywhere fast, no doubt we'll continue to do so.

But this is another level. This time music is the target of wholesale theft.

So you wanna be a songwriter? Here you go. No musical skill or creativity required. What price, writers, artists, musicians and composers? Looks like around 100,000 a penny. Or even cheaper.

The Velvet Sundown Rick mentions at the end is a group that is all over Spotify. But thing is, it's not a group. It has been created in the same way as he demonstrates in the video.



 
This is truly depressing. I'd like to think listeners were more discerning but clearly not. I just hope people who really love music - and there are a lot of us - won't stand for it.

The manufactured band thing started with The Monkees (or perhaps earlier; that's as far back as my memory goes). But it turned out that Mike Nesmith was a genius anyway. There've been all kinds of money-making set-ups since then, but this is a whole other level of horror.
 
First, AI came for the coders. But I didn't care, becasue I wasn't a coder and if it saves me a couple bucks...
Then they came for the administrators, but I didn't care, because I wasn't in admin, and if it saves me a couple bucks...
Then they came for the drivers, but I didn't care, because I wasn't a driver, and if it saves me a couple bucks.
And on, and on. Or, as I am in this state of mind right now, so it goes.
 
First, AI came for the coders. But I didn't care, becasue I wasn't a coder and if it saves me a couple bucks...
Then they came for the administrators, but I didn't care, because I wasn't in admin, and if it saves me a couple bucks...
Then they came for the drivers, but I didn't care, because I wasn't a driver, and if it saves me a couple bucks.
And on, and on. Or, as I am in this state of mind right now, so it goes.
They came for the translators in 2017. DeepL, one of the most accurate translation tools, used Linguee, which had been developed using human-translated snippets.

Everyone who didn't translate for a living was like cool, we don’t need to learn a language anymore.
 
My wife was a long time translator, but only for 7 languages and I worked in close to 50. I remember the first time one of those hand-held translators came out, she grabbed it from me and played with it for an hour, then tossed it onto my desk and said, with a laugh, "good, my job is safe for now."
To be fair, for professional needs, it still is, and academics still get in touch with her for dissertation translations. But around the edges, it has taken a huge bite.
 
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On the same theme, and not AI as such. My day job involved selling stuff in the construction industry.

I would visit architects and draughtspeople to give technical advice on aspects of projects they were working on. It was not untypical to visit a large practice and see rows and rows and rows of drawing boards were techs worked draughting fine details.

Then in the early 80s a programme called Autocad was released. It was a computer-aided draughting programme which took a lot of the day-to-day donkey work out of aspects of the job. Templates could be created removing the need for initial spadework etc. All marvelled at its genius. A new dawn...

BUT:

In a few short years those boards and techs were replaced by just a couple of people with desktop computers.

Depressing stuff.
 
On the same theme, and not AI as such. My day job involved selling stuff in the construction industry.

I would visit architects and draughtspeople to give technical advice on aspects of projects they were working on. It was not untypical to visit a large practice and see rows and rows and rows of drawing boards were techs worked draughting fine details.

Then in the early 80s a programme called Autocad was released. It was a computer-aided draughting programme which took a lot of the day-to-day donkey work out of aspects of the job. Templates could be created that took away the need for initial spadework etc. All marvelled at its genius. A new dawn...

BUT:

In a few short years those boards and techs were replaced by just a couple of people with desktop computers.

Depressing stuff.
When we were building a public aquarium, my boss used Autocad to design it himself. Didn't work out in the end. The problem wasn't the software but a lack of competent management and planning.
 
When we were building a public aquarium, my boss used Autocad to design it himself. Didn't work out in the end. The problem wasn't the software but a lack of competent management and planning.
Yeah, it ended up everywhere. I'm long since out of the loop, but I'm sure whatever iteration it's at now it can more than likely explain the meaning of life.

Refreshing to see it can be thwarted by human incompetence. This just might be the answer to the world's fightback. :)
 
Yeah, it ended up everywhere. I'm long since out of the loop, but I'm sure whatever iteration it's at now it can more than likely explain the meaning of life.

Refreshing to see it can be thwarted by human incompetence. This just might be the answer to the world's fightback. :)
Indeed! Perhaps it is a case of being given tools one hasn't the good sense to use. All the better for those who have.
 
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Everyone who didn't translate for a living was like cool, we don’t need to learn a language anymore.
Any results I've seen from what used to be called 'software-generated translation' were, and I imagine still are, truly horrible.
And, yes, you are right, it was very difficult to persuade people of that. Those mostly using it back then were those who didn't speak the language more than a little, so couldn't tell how bad the results were. And they were at the 'I don't know whether to laugh, to cry, or to throw up on the floor' level.
 
I took a Master of Science in computing subjects in 1991. We studied and coded AI, so it is a far from new concept. You mention Autocad where as a form of AI it removed the tedious need to build elements of technical drawings from scratch time and time again. But it meant less tedious, repetitive work and therefore needed fewer workers. You can go right back to the invention of the wheel to realise that there have always been technical precedents for this.

In my latest novel, Scenes From A Dying Planet, I use AI to go one step further at the end of the novel have it hack into systems across the world to save it from from greed, nuclear threats and those who feel entitled to rule us all. But this wouldn't need to be done by AI if the human would only learn to live together in peace. So the AI is merely plagiarising a human idea expressed in countless novels. songs and declarations. (By all means feel free to write a review of my novel on Amazon).

All of your life you have listened to, looked at and read works by people who have, in large part, plagiarised others' work. Often they have done so blatantly and with total disregard for the original creator. So is it okay for humans to do it for centuries but now suddenly its not okay for computers to do it?
 
I took a Master of Science in computing subjects in 1991. We studied and coded AI, so it is a far from new concept. You mention Autocad where as a form of AI it removed the tedious need to build elements of technical drawings from scratch time and time again. But it meant less tedious, repetitive work and therefore needed fewer workers. You can go right back to the invention of the wheel to realise that there have always been technical precedents for this.

In my latest novel, Scenes From A Dying Planet, I use AI to go one step further at the end of the novel have it hack into systems across the world to save it from from greed, nuclear threats and those who feel entitled to rule us all. But this wouldn't need to be done by AI if the human would only learn to live together in peace. So the AI is merely plagiarising a human idea expressed in countless novels. songs and declarations. (By all means feel free to write a review of my novel on Amazon).

All of your life you have listened to, looked at and read works by people who have, in large part, plagiarised others' work. Often they have done so blatantly and with total disregard for the original creator. So is it okay for humans to do it for centuries but now suddenly its not okay for computers to do it?


Interesting points you make, but I don't think you're actually comparing apples with apples here on the main issue.

I do agree with some of your post, inasmuch as we have all been exposed to plagiarism of sorts in the arts since the first cave dwellers drew on walls etc.

I suppose one person's plagiarism is another's "influenced by", to a greater or lesser extent.

And undoubtedly, technological advances have been a twin edged sword. Processes improved and simplified meaning there have been winners, but also losers - in workforces and trades being wiped out. That's the way things have developed. Driven essentially by commercial expediency.

However, in my view, and let's let's look at music as it's the 'art' involved in the video. The game has changed massively with the latest AI technology.

It is often argued that without The Beatles there would have been no Oasis and so on. And this is true. Oasis and many others drew from that particular well. But with one key difference between them - (Oasis) and The Velvet Sunset (the 'band' fabricated by AI).

The bros Gallagher had to learn their skill. Their songs were not produced almost instantaneously at the click of a button after a cursory prompt or two to AI. The Gallaghers, through many years of time investment, dedication and hard work, as indeed have all creative artists down the ages, acquired the relevant skills to produce their art. Musicianship and songcraft in this case.

The internet is awash with AI created 'novels'. As you yourself are a writer you know the amount of sweat, brainpower and sheer time goes into that endeavour. But now, as I type I could have a 90,000 word manuscript within an hour or two. Would you be happy for all the effort you've employed to be passed over in favour of something AI had spat out in a few minutes? I certainly wouldn't be.

With AI tools now advanced to the point were no actual artistic talent is required, other than a basic command of the local language, credibible 'art' (be it music, painting or books) is now something we can all 'create'. Most 'consumers' won't care or understand that the output is simply an amalgamation of the stolen creativity and IP of those who have unwittingly trained the particular large language model used.

So suddenly we can all 'make music'. And if we are that way inclined or want to be disingenuous or simply lie, we can claim we wrote / created, painted, or designed the product. Furthermore, we can then monitise this 'creativity' for ourselves. This is to the cost of those people who would actually go through the process properly, put in the hours and hard work to actually create the real art only to have it stolen.

I could go on but suffice to say:

I will never look forward to a world where those who actually create art are no longer needed, and where new creativity is served up to me by nothing other than the ultimate plagiaristic soulless machine.

What a truly horrific prospect to contemplate.
 

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