A relatively recent interview with Christopher Vogler. It's more like a lecture with prompts. It's 2h:16m long but has some good timestamps in the description and there's also a playlist on the channel with different parts of the interview.
He not only warns against using the hero's journey as a formula but says that any story following it strictly is bound to be boring and predictable, and any storyteller is obligated to twist and turn it to subvert expectations.
He not only warns against using the hero's journey as a formula but says that any story following it strictly is bound to be boring and predictable, and any storyteller is obligated to twist and turn it to subvert expectations.