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Forms of address

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Most noble Litopians from across the Pond —

Does anyone know what would be the proper form of oral address of a group of dukes? "Your Graces?"

And supposing a noble were stripped of their title, lands, and rights — and then these were returned to the noble once more by royal decree — is there a special form of address that that person would be due before their official coronation ceremony? Like "The Provisional-So and So?"
Or does the same concept uninterruption for the monarch of "the King is dead; God save the King" apply to all noble titles, and the title applies before any ceremony, at the moment of royal decree?

Those are a couple of those questions that seem to be difficult to word properly in order for Google to yield the correct answer. If anyone knows, I would be overjoyed!
 
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Emurelda said:
Does this link help?

Addressing nobility

The absence of finding the address to the plural may indicate that you must great them individually? Otherwise it seems akin to 'hey dudes...how's it hangin'. Just my shillings worth :D
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This was a good complementary work to those I have been reading — thank you!

You know, the plural of forms of address was conspicuously absent from my own findings, as well... you may have a point there.
 
Jason Byrne said:
Thanks everybody!

I think I have what I need.
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Oooh...so what is it? You know who you can ask directly - the Duke of York. He has his own official twitter account. One of his digital servants is bound to know

Duke of York

He's also one of the more approachable Royals. Held 'Pitch @ the Palace' where one of my friends got to pitch her business inside Buckingham Palace itself. She was awesome! Lucky gal.
 
I just got "The Manual of Rank and Nobility, Or Key to the Peerage: Containing the Origin and History of All the Various Titles; Orders, and Dignities, Hereditary Honours, Peculiar Privileges, Heraldic Distinctions, Rights of Inheritance, Degrees of Precedence, Court Etiquette, &c., &c. of the British Nobility: with the Origin and History of the Royal Titles, Prerogatives, Ceremonies, Great Officers of State and of His Majest's Household, &c., &c. Collected from the Best Authorities" by Saunders and Otley, (C) 1832, for Google Play Books. Should be an interesting read!
 
Emurelda said:
Oooh...so what is it? You know who you can ask directly - the Duke of York. He has his own official twitter account. One of his digital servants is bound to know

Duke of York

He's also one of the more approachable Royals. Held 'Pitch @ the Palace' where one of my friends got to pitch her business inside Buckingham Palace itself. She was awesome! Lucky gal.
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The effing Duke of York has a Twitter? Hell yes I'm asking him! I'm gonna make friends with that guy.
 
Okay, posted. I can't DM that account, so I Tweeted this:

"Hello! I have a question of court etiquette, for His Grace @TheDukeOfYork, and I wondered if it was acceptable to pose it here?
Thank you!"

I didn't commit any forms of address faux pas, did I? I couldn't find any mention of requirement for a particular salutation, and I was working within the 140 character limit.
 
Jason Byrne said:
Okay, posted. I can't DM that account, so I Tweeted this:

Hello! I have a question of court etiquette, for His Grace @TheDukeOfYork, and I wondered if it was acceptable to pose it here?
Thank you!
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I would have gone with "How do you address a group of Dukes..this isn't a joke - it's research for my book "

Don't ever ask for permission. They love being approached. I mean don't we all. :D
 
Jason Byrne said:
Okay, posted. I can't DM that account, so I Tweeted this:

"Hello! I have a question of court etiquette, for His Grace @TheDukeOfYork, and I wondered if it was acceptable to pose it here?
Thank you!"

I didn't commit any forms of address faux pas, did I? I couldn't find any mention of requirement for a particular salutation, and I was working within the 140 character limit.
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The posing bit might be a problem :D
 
Emurelda said:
The posing bit might be a problem :D
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Meant out of respect — to ask a question is to expect a reply; to pose a question is to create one with request but without expectation of reply.

Archaic, but I've never addressed a duke, before... It would reflect poorly on my country, to get it wrong....

Or maybe I just take royalty too seriously. I told you I should have been born in a different time. I still feel like royalty is just plain better than everyone else, by dint of title.
 
Jason Byrne said:
Just walk up and ask a peer a question...

What year is this?
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They won't have time to respond to give permission. Permission is granted already for the fact that you can do so on twitter. It actualy saves them time to to and fro if they are going to bother answer you in the first place. I mean if they responded with 'yes' then you turn out to be a loon and say something crass they've got roped into answering to a loon. Whereas if you went straight with the question without the formality then they know what they are dealing with. A writer - in some circles a loon. :p Not you though... not you. :D
 
Jason Byrne said:
Meant out of respect — to ask a question is to expect a reply; to pose a question is to create one with request but without expectation of reply. Archaic, but I've never addressed a duke, before... It would reflect poorly on my country, to get it wrong....
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lol..oh dear..says more about me that does. Not that I 'do' selfies mind you.
 
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Emurelda said:
They won't have time to respond to give permission. Permission is granted already for the fact that you can do so on twitter. It actualy saves them time to to and fro if they are going to bother answer you in the first place. I mean if they responded with 'yes' then you turn out to be a loon and say something crass they've got roped into answering to a loon. Whereas if you went straight with the question without the formality then they know what they are dealing with. A writer - in some circles a loon. :p Not you though... not you. :D
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Emurelda said:
lol..oh dear..says more about that does. Not that I 'do' selfies mind you.
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Well... shite. Then I don't get an answer, I guess... But at least I'll be ignored respectfully...
 
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