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Village hall meeting this Sunday, 3rd September


Capo Famiglia
Our regular Village Hall meeting will take place this Sunday, 3rd September. I do encourage all Litopians to take part, especially newcomers. Click the link to find out how to take part (hint: it’s easy!).

We’ll kick off at 6pm UK time. If you’re not in the UK, you can use this site to figure out what time it is around the world:

The World Clock — Worldwide


We’ll be talking about The Log Line. And also… anything else you want to bring up. Post issues/topics/ questions here, please.

Looking forward to Sunday!
Hi Peter, I have a question on Three Chapter Samples - is there a rough guide as to the minimum amount of pages that could be sent for submission to an Agent? If the three opening chapters were fairly short, i.e. less than 5 pages long would that suffice? Thank you.


Capo Famiglia
Thanks, Geoff, good question, we'll tackle it.

BTW, for everyone else... you don't have to post your question / topic in advance. We do encourage you to speak while we're live (altho you don't have to) i.e. it's not like Pop-Up Submissions. Posting a question here simply gives me a bit of advance notice, so I can think about it for a few days.
As requested by @AgentPete , here is a copy of the post I made requesting information in a Village Hall:

Fair point. To be honest, any advice is welcome, but specifically:
  • What do you look for when reading a synopsis? Are you looking for just factual information, or are you expecting some showmanship; some pizazz?
  • Do you like/expect references to similar works? Does that help you categorise what you read?
  • To be blunt, how honest should we be with a pitch/synopsis? Given the small sample of work you are viewing, there is room to spin any book into any genre and wildly overplay components as being central. Is it just playing the game to stretch the truth in these things?
  • A question more specific to my needs: how does one pitch a series? Most pitches (and indeed, synopses) tend to be very brief, with barely enough time to explain the first book. The draw of series can be the overarching plots and the developing characters. How the heck do you sell that in under 300 words?
  • Difference, both factual and in expectation, between log line, tag line, pitch and synopsis.
All this is rather hypothetical, I grant, but the demands of publishers are, frankly, crazy. I have been asked for everything from a one line (I kid not!) synopsis to a four page brief with chapter breakdowns and full spoilers of all major events. I try to accommodate such things as best I can (hoop-jumping is now my career) but having a good grasp of what people are truly after, even if their requests are a little strange, might help.

(As a note, one would think that examining the dust jackets of published books would help, but it does not, I find. All it makes me think is that the most creative writing that goes on in the publishing industry is that which is done outside of the book in an attempt to sell it, as the connection between synopsis and plot is often tenuous at best.)
I will definitely be there as I have no doubt that @AgentPete's sage words regarding synopses will be as helpful as his criticism of my work! Then, with my completely rewritten MS in hand and a shiny new, carefully crafted synopsis, I shall start the submissions process with vigour anew! (We'll take the heavy drinking and balefully sobbing that will doubtless follow as read, yeah?)

Carol Rose

Staff member
Even thought I had to leave before we were finished (holiday weekend here - had family things I couldn't get out of!), I wanted to say how nice it was to hear and see all of you. And, I wanted to thank @AgentPete for all the fabulous information and advice! :)
Missed it again I am afraid Pete. Sincere apologies and regrets.

I was helping friends out, which just seemed to go on for ever. It also proves Oscar Wilde right when he said, 'No good deed goes unpunished.'